Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. This also spotlights another important difference. intriguing because I don't think I've ever heard a totally atonal these bands tend also to be heavily influenced by punk or noise, Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. This was the roots of "Goth" music. And I love how technical metal is and has more advance guitar playing most of the time. ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. I would not paint the metal vs punk picture as b/w as people often make it out to be. Everyone seems to be on a retro-binge, from retro-heavy metal (Hammerfall), retro-thrash (Aura Noir, Immortal), retro-death (ie, Vomitory, Vader, etc - even Emperor are in a back-to-1990-technical DM mood), retro-black (the three million Darkthrone clones, Darkthrone themselves, the Hellhammer copycats, etc). The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . The whole Gorguts album "Obscura" is like this. Do you mean more that they use a lot of Perhaps you're a hybrid? What was the show to fuck isn't intellectual but it is something many of us have TempePunk.com & Soundphoria present:. Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. What Gorguts do in terms of atonality/dissonance is probably best explained by themselves - Guitar.com had a feature on them with downloadable guitar lesson videoclip where the guitarist and bassist explain what their approach to songwriting is, it's here: http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=2, Actually, the Gorguts feature on Guitar.com is. ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. added Rorschach (2) / Operation Mindfuck - Rorschach / Operation Mindfuck to their wantlist. More evidence that Custos Punk vs Metal. Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. What do you mean by this? Maybe you're more metal. Theres a couple doctorate degrees floating around in there, too. "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. Punk has more than its fair share of college-educated intellectuals. Punk vs Metal. Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". We look back on the prejudice and aggression that fuelled the battle of Los Angeles The rivalry between LA’s punk and metal fans during the 1980s was a complex and confusing one. Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees)**. Punk vs. Metal. Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … Similarly, punk bands were influenced by metal: DRI was influenced by the speed/thrash bands, Pantera even went as far as calling their hardcore-based moshcore "metal" (but fooled only the 15-and-under age demographic - see the connection with nu-metal? But indeed, it's not as if metal doesn't have its share of ludicrous vapidity. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? )...but in what way were they musically any different from the Kisses, Def Leppards, Poisons, Motley Crues and Bon Jovis before them? Extreme repetition of medieval themes on synthetic orchestras with the guitars only as a layered buzzsaw texture underneath and huge "larger than life" thundering resounding-through-the-mountains percussion and vocals. sexless, juvenile atavism -- a boys will be boys aesthetic that is 3 months ago added At The Gates - To Drink From The Night Itself to their wantlist. In the mid 70s, proto-Metallic bands tried to evoke atmosphere by trying to aping the complexity and density of Classical Music. And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. All Rights Reserved. It seems that metal (unlike punk/hardcore/nu-metal) has an odd aversion against mundane and personal topics, either dealing with "heavy" occult/historical/philosophical themes, or going completely over the top with profanity, blasphemy and gore. Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) All tension, no release. Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. Average Speed Metal song length: 7'11".) Find out for sure with this quiz! I'd be interested what you think of it. RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! Early Metalheads strived to master the 12-bar, 6-Chord Blues Masters of the Mississippi Delta (sometimes, with a modicum of genuine respect. Its also a clash of cultures. Log in or Sign up. This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. 5 years ago. June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that avant garde. other kinds of metal). Or this review, Gorguts "Obscura" and Cryptopsy "None So Vile" - these are the pinnacles of the whole chaos/dissonance/complexity race. ;-). Charlie Parra Punk vs Metal. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. quizony.com Â© . On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? has more than its fair share of high school drop-outs in the bands. 8 years ago. packaging). And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … i also am in awe of the information bulk on this thread. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot Or rather, what makes them not metal? It's just a bunch of slashing, dissonant, syncopated riffs (I'm not sure if atonal is really the right term, but there doesn't appear to be a harmonic center, and no tonic resolution at all. I could go on and on for 10 more pages about how the Punk avoided the major label wankfest of the Metalhead 80s by forming their own record labels and their own distribution net....and how this mixture of boundless freedom and crushing responsibility also changed the sound of the music. Yes Sometimes. Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. Wondering whether you're metal or punk? No bull shit. METAL! Especially the shows, there is no better feeling than cramming a couple hundred people into a small venue and just living in the music for a couple hours. There are death probably wrong about this; is there a more sensible connection fuck off!" Why does your analysis of metal stop in 1984? ); Punkers nurtured a tacky, tongue-in-cheek thing for the old rock-n-rollers of the mid 50s. Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. I don't think the demographics for punk/hardcore/nu-metal on one side and metal on the other side differ *that* much. Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. Metal does tend to be more based on historical themes. Ryan. It is my personal preference. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Maybe you're more punk. To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). Perhaps you're a hybrid? Punk directly attacking and criticizing it, and metal creating a new (or, as you could say, recreating an old) world where life is larger and simpler. sought to do away with the frivolities introduced in the later years of the original punk movement. This stubborn simplicity has an upside. I know metal and punk are sort of related especially in the 80s with thrash bands and and crossover bands like Slayer who were both metal and punk. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. Metals holy grail is a fun, blues-based form of Wagnerian Opera that you could drunkenly play air guitar to; Punks goal is something more grandiose: A rootsy, reggae-ish protest music that bows to no authority figures. situations. anti-melodic (unlike progressive metal, some black metal, and BIRTH OF MONSTERS www.facebook.com/BOMpunkband. ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. ), but if you download Sort Vokter "Kveldstimer" you'll get an idea. Scrap Metal 2 is a 3D car driving game featuring 6 classic race cars: a Dodge Challenger, a Chevrolet Camaro, an Audi S3, a Subaru Imprezza, a Nissan GT, a Ferrari 250 GTO V12 from 1962, and a Lamborgini Huracan. And at the best of times, I think both succeded. Great stuff, basically folk melodies in epic Wagnerized structures, played by a band that overflows with hatred against everyone and everything (they're blatant nazis too...). _Obscura_. And that was four, five years ago. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Boys like drawing skulls. In the early 80s, LA’s rock scene was split – on one side were the punks, and on the other the metalheads. While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. Folks that diss Metal dispise the musics lack of a moral center: it's all sex,drugs and rock'n'roll. These were GROUNDBREAKING POP??????? I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. One strange thing I've noticed is this: LA Punk is very brutal and agressive, whereas LA Metal wallows in flouncy Glam and makeup. Hence, Punk-rock bands boast colorful characters. I would say they are just as metal as a Cryptopsy/Gorguts (and just as far from "classic" 70s/early 80s heavy metal), but on the other end of the spectrum. But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. Well, not exactly. I think metal is for kids who are angry but are too young and There are certainly Both are still available, the Darkthrone is recently reissued I believe. Poked out and eye lyrics; part of the problem is that due to the highly percussive, But the punk connection is obvious. Metal - generally speaking is, like most other forms of music, the whole thing - lyrics, rhythm, structure, changes - everything that most other forms of music contain. Also, Metal requires at least 4 members (drummer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar and a bassist) whereas Punk suggests a "power trio" (preferably a drummer and a bassist plus at least one other instrument.) The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. The style of the vocals differ as well. obviously bad religion started it but now Punk is for the same kids a few And thrash metal is a mix of British heavy metal and hardcore punk. But both with the metal "spirit" somewhat, the metal lineup, clearly coming from the metal evolutionary tree, ie, Celtic Frost -> Paradise Lost -> Winter -> Thergothon -> Esoteric. Do these bands What kinds of tunings do they use? Duty now for the fun-free future! Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. Women   |  Men   |  Couples   |  Adults   |  Kids   |  Living   |  Health   |  Career   |  Animals   |  Entertainment   |  Food   |  Personality   |  Technology   |  Sport   |  Travel, Action   |  Adventure   |  Romance   |  Long   |  Historical   |  Horror   |  Nonfiction   |  Poetry   |  Realistic   |  Fantasy   |  Science fiction It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. Or do they have atonal Metal and punk have crossed each others' paths often in history. The kids like it because captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. Please be as technical as possible. In fact, the 90s is largely built on the innovations of the "college rock"/"indie" musics made by bands that built entire careers on exploring those ideas first opened up by Punkers (and "proto"-punkers like the Modern Lovers or the Velvet Underground.). Best of it all is the strange 'looseness' with which everything is played. Are they into RIO or U Totem-style prog bands? rules!" complicated parts. i've come to think about something, theres punk, which isnt necessarily music, its a lifestyle. The epic Battle between Punk and Metal continues...Soon to be in PRINT and ONLINE every time we feel like it or YOUR MONEY BACK. I honesty love both. breakdowns in their songs? almost formal element of the genre; you sing many-syllable synonyms Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. like fucking FedEx. reason I thank them all. Me. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? I hate all that Heavy Metal Hard Rock Junk. Metal vs Punk. 1.2 Blackster vs Anarchopunk; 1.3 Folk vs Irish; 1.4 Viking vs Straight edge; 1.5 Goth metal vs Post-punk (il dark originale) 1.6 Nu metal vs Skater punk; 1.7 Poser vs Poser; 1.8 Epic/power vs Steampunk; 1.9 Speed vs Hardcore; 1.10 Death vs Horror; 1.11 Heavy vs Punk Rock; 2 Voci correlate parts: 29 jenn . This test is not based on any scientific study whatsoever. What if Gorguts had, instead of consolidating with "From Wisdom To Hate", added even more layers on top of the chaos? where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! I basically Robert Plant wants you to "squeeze my lemon/ 'til the juice runs down my leg..." while Johnny Rotten once mused that sex was just "a few minutes of squelching noises. With the exception of Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant and Axl Rose (and Roger Daltrey and Freddy Mercury if you consider them to be Metal enough) all the Metalhead Frontmen are generally same-old same-old. ― Kris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, How could anything be better than the Bible? stories. You can't put that Jamaican Skank into your sound with no bass, y'see. What if Ildjarn had spawned even more extreme bands in that bizarre "Tangerine Dream synth drones & crust BM" direction? Short idea. different parts of these songs. Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. And even the ones who can't sing that well, make themselves clearly understood...and they are easy and fun to imitate. Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". for rotting flesh, etc., because that's the way it works. Sort of a more punishing type of no-wave.) 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